I think that those conversations are probably happening a little bit. I mean, look, it might just be one phone call, right? You might be calling up Pittsburgh because there has been all these rumours and saying to Kyle [Dubas], 'would you ever let Mike Sullivan go?' And the answer might be no, and that might be the end of it, but I think the Leafs will poke around those situations.
The two names, of course, that we're hearing are Berube and McLellan because they fit the bill as the most experienced guys that have had the [best] track record of success and are available right now. It sounds like Berube is going to have conversations starting this weekend with the Leafs.